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...please be cognizant of the value of points compared to real money.

400 DA Points cost US$ 5 to buy.

That's 80 points per dollar.

This means that if you are offering an art commission for, say, $10, you should NOT be offering the same commission for 100 points. You should be charging at least 800 points.

If you are aware of the exchange rate and yet still undercharge for points when compared to real dollars, I suppose that's your prerogative as an artist. But you're really just giving others a way to take advantage of you by paying you in points instead of cash, even when they are fully capable of the latter.

Those looking to commission artists with points should, of course, be aware of the exchange rate, too. I have seen many people complain about artists asking for 300 points for their artwork... not realizing, of course, that it's only $3.75!

And, of course, the same applies when paying in different real currencies around the world. Make sure you check your exchange rates.

Financial matters matter. :)

MSW


EDIT: MaureenEileen pointed out this lovely DA points to US dollars converter: DeviantArt Point Calculator by charfade
Very useful if you are still confused about the exchange rates or just plain don't like doing math. :lol:
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lKaiserVadinl Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
The artist can't exchange points for money so DAPoints are worthless imo !
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2015
Artists can exchange points for money. The catch is that the artist has to receive the points through the commission widget to be able to convert them to money. Points that are simply donated can't be converted. However, DA still takes a 20% cut when you use the commission widget, so... in my personal opinion, paying or getting paid with points makes far less sense than using a service like PayPal.
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lKaiserVadinl Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah i didn't know thanks !
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AgentMaryland93 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
For those of you who are not getting commissions, make sure you're advertising. Simply saying in a journal that you have commissions open isn't going to draw in a crowd. Go to groups, post journal relaying info and example pictures, rules, guidelines, ect. If you want attention, you gotta make the first move. Don't be shy, or you'll never get those wanted commissions. Also, never be afraid to put their real value in! If a piece took you three weeks (working about 3-6 hours a day on it) and you put the price as 100 :points:, you are practically giving it away for free. Evaluate how long it takes you to complete the project, say you make it like a paying job. Maybe you make it so that every hour equals 40 :points: if you work on a piece for 6 hours a day, for 3 days that's 240 x 3 = 720 :points: (a few of you may go "but I don't have 720 :points:! :noes:" well, that's only about $9 (also, make sure your work is worth that much, if it's not, then you need to do point deductions for everything that needs work, like, say the total comes up to 720 :points: but then you see that the lighting is wrong, that's abut 30 :points: deduction right there (give or take), and you notice the hands are a bit messed up, another 30 :points: deducted, so you've taken 60 :points: away leaving it at 640 :points:)

Don't over price.

Don't under price.

Don't cheat people with prices.

Advertise.
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Eveon99 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I wonder if points are really counted from a pic that has designed and how it's made:)
Some artists drew crappy drawings but that just the beginning because they still learning how to draw and one day they wanted to make a commission but some devianters don't want to buy it because of the quality of their pic is not amazed by them and that's why they won't buy it...
Maybe the better quality drawn,the more people buy it I guess:/
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PrinceOfQueer Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Student Digital Artist
So, if 80 points is one dollar, what is one pound worth of points?
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
You can use this to convert dollars to any other (commonly used) currency in the world: [link] :)
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PrinceOfQueer Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Ok, thanks ^^
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cloudylicious Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2012
This is so frustrating! Currently, I am taking comissions starting at 75:points: and the highest one is 150:points: I am completely aware of its prize in real money. I only do them becuase I want to donate all the points I get.
The only response I got was that "they cost a lot for just an icon." (just an icon? :disbelief:). However, I tried to explain her that this isn't much in real money and I am not using bases so the prize for an animated icon is completely justifiable. The response was: "well a pixle icon should at least be cheap". I always thought that 0.94$ is cheap :shrug:
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Alura-the-Sage Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Interesting! I'll have to keep that in mind if I ever decide to do point commissions.
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Superlote Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2012
Where is the reblog button.
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TzikiiWolf Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012  Student Filmographer
Wow thanks! I'd never thought about it before. I cant charge real money because I dont have PayPal or anything like that. Plus I dont think anyone would comission me for money anyway XD :D
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Raylorn Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Student General Artist
I think this is the main reason why I refuse to do commissions in DA. I rather do it in Furaffinity where there's no silly play money in the way. I tried to charge as low as I can so that people can afford my money commissions (With $5 I can actually buy my breakfast, lunch and dinner for one day!) but so far I never have any bites. I'm not a bad artist or anything but there are people worst than me charge the same or more get commissions. It's really frustrating.

On the other hand, there are artists who charge their commissions in cash only but people still offer :points: and hoping that the artist would accept it.
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2012
I have the problem of people offering me points for commissions, too... and usually it's the equivalent of about $2. I would feel offended, but I suppose that most of those people are kids who don't know any better. It's still frustrating, though.
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Raylorn Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2012  Student General Artist
I did come across people that demands that the artist lower his/her commission prices for :points:

Anyway this place is oversaturated with kids without paypal/bank/credit/debit card/money and artist without money or maybe some cheapskate adults/clients from company so it's hard to get a well paid commissions unless you're popular. But even the popular people find it hard to get commissions in DA.
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xenaferetek Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
people are cheap that's why

Gosh like when someone wants a really detailed and realistic piece..I feel really shy telling them how much..because they're definitely going to shy away.
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
It's natural to want to expend the least amount of resources for what we want, but that doesn't always make it right. Honestly, though, I would rather not take a commission at all than accept a payment that is grossly undervaluing the time I put into it (like, say a hundred DA points). It would just kill my motivation and inspiration! I would rather do gift art for a friend or something like that instead. :)
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xenaferetek Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012
Yeah my policy from now on...

If you value my work, then you will pay for it.
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Eppon Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Seeing as I don't feel confident enough to ask money for commissions yet, I ask points. And I ask amounts of 35-50 points per commission. Converted I know it's only a few cents but I don't care about the money, I only use the points as gift anyway.
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Pagerda Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've been thinking the same for a very long time now, but I've figured that by now, people should know the cost of points. Apparently not, or they just prefer to make it cheaper for points for some reason I don't think I'll understand.

I've seen great artists that would otherwise charge 5$ for something charge only 20 points for the same thing. It's ridiculous.

I normally do try to point these things out, but a lot of artists are content with underselling art with fake currency.
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012
Same here, I don't see why anyone would purposely sell something for less in fake currency than real currency! If anything, I would charge MORE for points than real money, because the only place I can use points is on DA... which makes it inconvenient and borderling worthless.
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Pagerda Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Totally agree. I personally don't accept points for just that reason. I need to buy food and other things more than I need to buy a subscription or a t-shirt or something like that. It's crazy, but I guess that a lot of people will buy point commissions more often because they're seen of as "cheaper" (and in most case, are).
If I buy an underpriced point commission and the user doesn't want to raise prices, I normally pay a bit over the asked price so that the person doesn't get jipped as much. Though I rarely buy point commissions in the first place, so I normally don't have to deal with that.

Well, I guess as long as dA gets a profit from people buying points, they're just going to keep being sold and those who offer commissions for them will just go with the flow.
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Lady-Owl Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2012   General Artist
I think the main issue is that so many kids pass along points as gifts, that they don't have many and have no idea their value or, maybe even that they were purchased with real money to begin with. So of course a kid with only 30 points, is gonna cry and say "So expensive!" If an artist is charging 2000 points for a commission.

But this whole point system is worthless. Unless you enjoy buying dA products regularly, there is just no point and I really have no idea why dA made such a bad idea like this in the first place.

Aside from that, I completely disagree with anyone taking advantage of anyone. Of course you can get some good deals when fishing around for artists undercutting themselves and only selling their art for 5 cents. But ya know what? Shame on you for doing this. It says a lot about you as a person to take advantage of someone's hard work and time because of their ignorance. Help the person out instead of being a greedy jerk with no morals.
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012
Yes, just from reading some of the responses to this journal entry, I can see that a lot of people were just unaware of the actual value (or, should I say, LACK of value) of DA points. Of course, a few others have mentioned that they were aware of the conversion rate but couldn't get point commissions unless they made their prices extremely low. Which is unfortunate. Chalk that up as another reason why I hate DA points; they contribute to the under-valuing of art on this site.

And, of course, the other reason that I strongly dislike them is that they can not be converted back into cash... which I'm sure is why DA introduced them in the first place. Once you've put the money into a points purchase, DA has that cash forever. The most that they might have to do is send out a print or t-shirt when someone uses their points for those purchases. I doubt that happens often, though. Most people seem to be using them for commissions or subscriptions, which means that DA is practically printing their own money. Meh.

I keep accumulating points for some reason, so I give them out randomly to other people rather than using them for cheap commissions. Although I will admit that it has been tempting. Ha ha, I think that I would feel too badly about it, though! And hopefully this journal entry has convinced a few people to revisit their point commission prices (especially with that little conversion application, which I found to be super-helpful).
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centaurii Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2012  Student General Artist
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Nya18 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
interesting..i never understood how the points/money conversion worked
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RiverEcho Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I always understood the rate, but due to slim to no pickings, I always have to keep it at a looow 1 to 5 points...
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PinePawsNightWolf Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Student General Artist
Same 'ere, mate! XD
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RiverEcho Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
WOOT! :highfive:
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Gae-ta Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012
Will keep this in mind:thanks:
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Jenny2-point-0 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
i knew about this exchange rate [= and only recently have i decided to charge more points for my work, and the reaons is that for someone who doesn't point any money into the site, 300 points [using thee example you gave] is a lot of points [= btu i stoped taking point commissions now [if i do they'll match what i'll charge in real money] because i worked like 5-6 days on an artwork about 8-12 hours a day on it, to not even be paid 2 dollars? it was 135 points... and i worked it out, it was something like 0.04p an hour... so i pretty much said, screw that. and now im only taking real money and very high [be it air in terms fo the exchange rate] point commissions. i mean that commissions would've cost like 3000 points if you convert what i would've charged in real money, ya know?
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012
Yeah, I know what you mean about the high rates in points when you convert them to be consistent with read money. That's why I would only accept points for very small, very cheap commissions... and they still sound expensive! Ugh, I'm sorry you got stuck with something that was only 4 cents an hour. At least you are getting paid more fairly now. :)
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Jenny2-point-0 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
yeah :/ i mean i was shocked when i saw someone charge 800 for a sketch. and still $10 dollars for a headshot sketch is still expensive, especially if it was anatomically correct either :/ yeah im thinking of only accepting icons commissions or something. yeah i know what you mean :/ it's alright. atleast that wont happen again now ^^ haha i would be if i got any commissions XD they're closed now but... when they were open i didn't get any real money commission. that was another reason i had point commissions, i felt that people commissioned me because i am a good artist that does points that is cheap/ reasonabley priced for someone who can't put money into the site. but now i charge money im not getting any :/ kinda sucks
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Redwall151 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
This is a great reminder for some people. I have seen people offer art for around 80 points, when it is something that might take a couple of hours. It's crazy to imagine how little they will profit if they keep their rates so low :(
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012
Yeah, it definitely wouldn't be worth it for me... especially since you can only use points on DA anyway! I guess for people that normally take requests, though, it's sort of like a little bonus. But I do still think it encourages DA members to undervalue art, which is unfortunate.
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Redwall151 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Yes, it's very unfortunate. But for younger artists it's understandable, it's a way to get into the world of being paid for their art. But for the older, more experienced artists, I think they should be paid in real money, or at LEAST an equal amount of points in comparison to their currency. I don't think a lot of art buyers realize that some artists rely solely on the payout of their art and want to take advantage of low prices. But that's where your journal comes in handy, to remind everyone of the value of points :)
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CybertechFoxArt Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Student General Artist
Wow I should really reconsider my point commission values O.o
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roxas-keyofdestiny Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for posting this, I never understood how the exchange from points to real currency went. I'm planning on doing commissions here this summer, but I only want DA points. So, should I mention this in my journal when I post my commission information?
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012
Yeah, it would probably be a good idea to include the conversion rate when you mention your prices in points! That way, you will be less likely to get a negative response from people who think that 1 point = $1. Good luck with your summer commissions! :)
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roxas-keyofdestiny Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you so much! I'll be sure to include it.

Good luck with your commissions (whenever that may be lol). C:
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icepaw99 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow! O.o My commissions are only 10 points! My art is terrible, but still... O.o
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Rontra Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012
I see where you're coming from, but I don't see why you put yourself in the position to dictate over everyone.
I recently raised my prices, but before that, the highest I went was 20. I was fully aware of the points-to-currency conversion. The reason I didn't charge more was that I didn't want to. Does that make me stupid? Well, economically, yes. However, the reason I did it was that at the time, I wasn't comfortable charging more. That was the price I put on my art. That was what it was worth. In addition, it was more fun for me to be able to offer commissions cheaper than 800 points. I got quite a few commissions before I closed it and bumped the prices. I earned a lot, even if it was cheap.

My prices are still too low for you, but that's because what I offer isn't worth more.
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012
I'm not dictating anyone's prices. I even state specifically in the journal entry that it's your prerogative as an artist to put whatever price you like on your art. I just want to put the information out there about what the conversion rates are, because (and you will see this for yourself if you read many of the comments on this entry) many people just don't KNOW what the conversion rates are and do not realize when they are being taken advantage of versus a real money commission. If you are AWARE of the conversion rate and are still happy with your prices, I couldn't care less if you charged 1 point or 10,000 points. It's not my business, it's yours, so you don't have to try to justify any of your prices to me.
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SPPlushies Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Here here!
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kotenokgaff Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes exactly! people sometimes come and pay me in ponts and then ask for fully colored commission

i say that you should pay more 2-3k points for exaple (equvalent to the real $ rate of course) and people then ask their ponts back

and i am really surprised to see so many people making commission for 30-50 points... thats just ridiqulous
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012
Yeah, it's frustrating to see how points have led many people to sorely undervalue their art. I'm sure some people are happy only having a few points for a commission (because they are the type that would normally just take requests, so this way they at least get something in return), but I think that overall it has been a negative influence on the community here.
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kotenokgaff Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
so true.. but at the same time it's great for those who ordered commissions )
to catch a nice drawing for a little price
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NerielMi Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I still wonder why are people doing point commissions. Points seem to be absolutelly useless to me, unless DA doesn't have art supplies in it's store for points.
I guess that the low prices are because there's so many of young artists. They simply don't have money. When I wanted to buy premium membership, I offered detailed icon for 1 month, detailed character on plain background for 3 months and full picture for 12 months and I was told, that this is too much and I should be offering much more. At work, I would get paid 5$ per hour and it last at least two hours to get one icon done. I guess that people simply don't know the value of money. For 5$ I would buy one lunch in restaurant or four Mondeluz colored pencils or one tube of pebeo paint. That isn'tthat much.

I guess that I'll never get commissioned because my prices are 'too high'. Bu I won't make them lower. Commissions are less important to me than the feeling of my art not being underestimated.
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MoonsongWolf Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012
I think that this is part of the problem as well. Not only that, but a lot of young people probably get points as gifts instead of buying them themselves... and they just make an (incorrect) assumption about the exchange rate. Ha ha, I don't think that I could even buy a real lunch for $5 in my city! Maybe a soda and a candy bar, though. :D

Same here, I would rather get no commissions at all than not get paid a fair rate for my art. If I really need extra money, there are so many other things that I could do instead that take up much less of my free time.
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